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Chief Wahoo sent out

Postby Ausse Salt on Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:11 pm

... G'day Baseballers,

... Yep, - say it aint so... "Chief Wahoo" the happy logo
with the shithouse grin of the Cleveland Indians
is gonna be GONE after the upcoming season-meet.

... Looks-like their ownerships and managers
surely must be gutless wonders NOT to
stand up to MLB and the protesting louts. :(

A Great number - HUUUUGE number of the
Indians fan base LOVES :ka Chief Wahoo
and by NOT having a strong backbone
- the managers will surely struggle
attracting proper paying customers.

Maybe they can bring-back the
Pixie Fairy of Browns football... :eh:

... The team has made the WRONG
choice here by caving-into the demands
of MLB... Free speech and expression
go right out the window when ya dont
hold to yer-own principles.

... Best of luck to them - they'll need it.

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Postby BamBam on Mon Jan 29, 2018 6:18 pm

Soon it will be the Foreskins er I mean Redskins. I'm curious as to if the real "native americans" even really gave a shit. It wasn't until someone probably of Swedish and poodle ancestry who got all offended for them and got in their head about it. Oh well just another silly thing to be worked up over. Because all the real problems in peoples lives must've been solved.
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Postby pussman6900 on Mon Jan 29, 2018 8:56 pm

I wonder when the Irish are going to get offended. Of course there all out boozing it up so they dont really know about sensitivity ....do they?
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Postby Ausse Salt on Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:19 am

pussman6900 wrote:I wonder when the Irish are going to get offended. Of course there all out boozing it up so they dont really know about sensitivity ....do they?


... THAT is a very GOOd point, mate.

Because the "Perfect Police" will surely be coming after
the "Fighting Irish" logo from Notre Dame, or the
colourful and beautiful "Blackhawks" Indian logo
of the Chicago hockey team.

... This is silly. :crazy:

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Postby Sherman Klump on Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:11 am

pussman6900 wrote:I wonder when the Irish are going to get offended. Of course there all out boozing it up so they dont really know about sensitivity ....do they?

Do the Irish get pissed off?
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Postby Ausse Salt on Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:28 am

... Hey! ... That's a good one, mate! :thumbup:

... The bottom one looks like President TRUMP! :)

... WINNING! :drink:

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Postby almonius on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:55 am

Great marketing. As a life long Tribe fan, I know I'll be scooping up Chief Wahoo stuff since it will be last time I get to buy any. Then in 2019, the fans will spend more $ to buy the new logo stuff. All to appease a few snowflakes
The farther west you go, the closer you get to the Far East???
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Postby johnny yuma on Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:59 pm

I too am a life long Indians fan....I also have Native American blood in my genes. YES IT IS OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOOOOOOOO F**K U GUYS!!!!!!!
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Postby BamBam on Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:27 pm

Hey great news!! Uconn has counseling available for you.

Btw, you didn't say you were native american, you said you had native american blood in your genes. That really doesn't narrow it down as everyone seems to claim to have 1/32 in their blood. Was it offensive to you 30 years ago? Nice caps (sounds like fake anger)

Really? You are so offended by a logo? A logo. Its better than the logo from the 30's - 50's. So you're making progress. Honestly I really don't care one way or the other. I'm just intrigued because I have never actually heard of someone actually being really offended. I mean I've read about it but always thought it was an urban legend. I think in the end that you will somehow be ok. Any other ethnicities in your genes like scandanavian or something. Wonder if they are pissed because of the Minn Vikings? Or are they ok because its a cool logo. Idk.
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Postby Ausse Salt on Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:04 pm

... And after reading me thread here this morning,
it took ESPN mouth-piece Max Kellerman all of
half-a-mo to state that he surely feels that
Notre Dame SHOULD change their name
and logo away from the "fighting Irish"
name and leprechaun

... Just as I mentioned would happen. :(

Some o' you bleedin' heart liberals
surely get the biscuit... :roll:

... Give 'em a cm and they take a km... :?

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Postby Bootzie58 on Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:48 pm

It is degrading. And should be shelved
Mascots. Like the seminoles and the respect Florida state shows respect is totally different
Braves, warriors, chieftains and logos that show strength and bravery are totally different
Than a big grinning Indian
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Postby luv2lust on Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:42 pm

I agree Boots, but your premise about other sports teams keeping native american names that show strength and bravery is
also under attack. Marquette University used to be known as the "Warriors", but the university knuckled under to some Indian tribes who
considered that disrespectful and changed the name to "Golden Eagles". Total bullshit if you ask me. PC in this country can run amuck at times. That
was one of them. The name "warrior" is not a term solely associated with North American Native Americans. That term is found in alot of cultures and is
not a term of derision, but one of strength and bravery as it should be. I don't even think Indian is a derogatory term for a sports team for similar
reasons. There are Indians in a lot of cultures and to portray them in noble terms as the icon of a sports team does not seem degrading to me and many others. I agree
that Wahoo is a degrading caricature of an otherwise noble term "Indians".
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Postby BamBam on Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:51 pm

So if they are shown as brave its ok and if he's grinning its bad. Ok got it! Wait let me remind myself, brave/good, grinning/bad. Ok now I got it. See thats easy to understand.

Ya know now that I come to think about it, I have had my heritage made a joke of and lampooned. I also don't remember running off to my bedroom and diving into my big cushy pillows sobbing. Maybe its because it really wasn't an issue or it was actually comical. Of course I didn't have people whispering in my ear telling me I should be offended either. Maybe I just need more sensitivity training.
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Postby chizzy on Tue Jan 30, 2018 8:54 pm

yeah, its sooo degrading. this country is getting full of "i'm so sensitive" assholes its hilarious

how the fuck is it degrading? would it be better if the indian was frowning? grow a set will you

its amazing the logic behind polictical correct shitheads

heres one................... black pride day........nice right? nothing wrong with it, right? great............ now someone go and have a white pride day....... how long would it take for anger hatred digust and riots to happen?

fucking stupid shit................
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Postby Bootzie58 on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:19 pm

U guys are missing the point. The caricature or cartoon is what is the issue
I taught at a middle school where the mascot was a chieftain
Our logo on the wrestling mat was an updated abstract drawing of a person and headress
The term Indian the nick name of the team isn’t the issue
The Atlanta braves caricature is not offensive in my opinion and need not to be changed
Cleveland ‘s is a fucking cartoon
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Postby chizzy on Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:22 pm

Bootzie58 wrote:U guys are missing the point. The caricature or cartoon is what is the issue
I taught at a middle school where the mascot was a chieftain
Our logo on the wrestling mat was an updated abstract drawing of a person and headress
The term Indian the nick name of the team isn’t the issue
The Atlanta braves caricature is not offensive in my opinion and need not to be changed
Cleveland ‘s is a fucking cartoon


so a cartoon is offensive? so, blacks should be offended of the fat albert cartoon? lets go another step, should whites be offended of the beverly hillbillies? come on :roll:
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Postby BamBam on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:20 pm

Bootzie58 wrote:U guys are missing the point. The caricature or cartoon is what is the issue
I taught at a middle school where the mascot was a chieftain
Our logo on the wrestling mat was an updated abstract drawing of a person and headress
The term Indian the nick name of the team isn’t the issue
The Atlanta braves caricature is not offensive in my opinion and need not to be changed
Cleveland ‘s is a fucking cartoon


No Bootz we aren't missing the point. The reason is because there really isn't a point to miss. Sorry pal, but if caricatures are now offensive, then some of you are in a sorry state. I find it rather amusing how people are "offended". Why are you offended? What is your perceived insult?

Tell me how Chief Wahoo has affected somebody's life. I'll wait.
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Postby Bootzie58 on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:39 pm

It’s humiliating
Guess you don’t see the insensitivity
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Postby BamBam on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:41 pm

How are you humiliated?

No I don't see the insensitivity. I see a lot of phony outrage. Again I don't care one way or the other whether they change it or not. I guess my point is, that using the definitions of offended and humiliating, I can find anything to be offended by. Hey if you truly are humiliated and offended, then thats fine. I'm just not buying all of it.
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Postby Bootzie58 on Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:52 pm

The whole point of dialogue is to share positions. You aren’t trying to change my mind and I’m not trying to change yours. Sometimes understanding opposing views humanizes our discussion
No body questions animals being a mascot. A panther or a lion
Or a wolverine or even a buckeye. But when a minority is subjected and degraded to a cartoonish character it flies in the face of humility and a sense of pride
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Postby BamBam on Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:04 am

Bootz surprisingly I actually understand that. I'm just not sure why YOU are humilited and offended. Are you a part of the offended party? Or are you being offended for them?

It kind of reminds me of some of those married couples who are expecting a baby and they say stupid shit like "we are pregnant". Ain't no we.
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Postby Bootzie58 on Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:14 am

Whether I am offended by one fact or another it doesn’t have to justify my position
Case in point did the abolitionists of the north have to be slaves or black to realize that slavery
Was a human violation? Of course not. You don’t have to be an Indian or have relatives of Indian decent that it’s out of line. It took Jackie Robinson to break the color barrier after WW 2
What I’m saying is you don’t have to be the offended party to be offended by a racial slur
And chief Wahoo needs to go
I don’t have to be Jewish to be offended by auschwitz
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Postby BamBam on Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:22 am

I think your examples are apples and oranges to a caricature of a sports team. I don't think comparing it to slavery and the holocaust is even in the same universe. You're right you don't have to justify your opinion. Even tho you were justifying your opinion.

Also, how do we know chief wahoo is a caricature? How do we know that there wasn't a great native american brave that coincidentally looked like that?? Maybe he grinned a lot and had small forehead and big cheeks. I'm just sayin
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Postby chizzy on Wed Jan 31, 2018 12:28 am

Bootzie58 wrote:The whole point of dialogue is to share positions. You aren’t trying to change my mind and I’m not trying to change yours. Sometimes understanding opposing views humanizes our discussion
No body questions animals being a mascot. A panther or a lion
Or a wolverine or even a buckeye. But when a minority is subjected and degraded to a cartoonish character it flies in the face of humility and a sense of pride



this right here is what is wrong with the horseshit today.............did anyone else catch it?

But when a minority is subjected

lmfao............ i get it.... only a minority can be offended, noone else can :roll:

that is the standard cry me a river liberal ass bullshit that actually creates racism because it is racist....... you guys are unreal
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